October 11, 2007 - Msg 56852: Oops. I always forget to sign. I'm used to message boards with automatic signatures.

MSg. 56851 was me, Opiemom

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56853: Good morning, all. Boo, I hope you will stick to your resolve to stop trying to help Jill. She's not ready, and your help becomes "enabling". Until she really hits rock bottom, there's nothing you or anyone else can do. She may reach that point before he kills her, and she may not. It happens every day, and no one can alter the course of things but the victim.

Me-They, my dad was a very wise man, who lived a simple life and helped a lot of people. He was taken advantage of many times, and he always forgave. He could meet the one who had failed to repay a loan, or who had broken a handshake agreement, and could be cordial and friendly. He would not, however, loan more money or enter into another contract with someone who had failed him. Someone suggested he wasn't doing what God commands - he would forgive, but wouldn't forget. Daddy's response was, "Well, God didn't create me to be stupid." I guess it's a bit like the old adage, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." It's exactly what you said - some people think forgiveness means going back into the situation, and that's not forgiveness. that's stupidity.

That's not to say that Jill's husband cannot change. With God's help and his willingness, he can. However, until Jill sees some evidence of that change, she's just inviting punishment by allowing him to remain in her life. She's risking the baby, too, because sometimes abusers realize they can hurt the mother the most by hurting the child. Boo, stay in hands-off contact, and watch for any sign of abuse of the baby. Hound CPS unmercifully if you see it. They're so overloaded and understaffed that often only the wheels that squeak the loudest get greased.

Every night, at work, I see newborn infants born to parents who literally haven't got a clue. One teenage mother refused to even touch her infant because it was born with one finger missing. She said it was "cursed". Yes, and the curse was very likely the drugs she had been using during the pregnancy. You know the old joke, "They walk among us, and they vote" - well, they do, and they also reproduce. Scary.

I can't remember if I shared this before - if so, please forgive. Anyway, my little grandson (age 4) Hudson overheard his parents discussing the fruits of the spirit one night, and he piped up and announced that he believed he'd take some pineapple! --Romeena

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56854: I believe I'll have the pineapple, too, Ro. Thanks for sharing that 'sweet' anecdote.

Prayers for all the young'uns among us, and those who look out for them.

I can relate more to your situation than you know, M-T. I have been on progesterone only birth control (because I was nursing Reagan) and one of the side effects is increased appetite - and I have unfortunately seen the results from that. I was back to within about 5 lbs of my pre-Reagan weight and then started taking those and I've added a lovely 12 pounds. I'm on my last months worth then Doc will give me something different. Yea!

Prayers for your Doc consult with Sean, Boo.

Well, I guess I'll put on my jacket (it's a brisk 51 right now at 11 am) and head over to Olive Garden for lunch. : )

AFD

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56855: My little chickadee is better today but I've managed to catch whatever creeping crud she had. My throat is raw and sore. Yuck. I guess I'll have to gargle with salt water. (I hated doing that as a kid.)

Talking about God and praising him when things don't go our way hit home with me. I'll admit, my faith has been tested a lot as I've gotten older in the way that my thinking has changed. I simply don't understand how things work sometimes. It all seems inequitable and random to me...I just try to focus on Jesus' love and the peace He wants all of us to have.

A bowl of Olive Garden soup and a couple breadsticks (someone will literally have to take away the bread or I will NOT stop eating it!) sounds just like what I need! I'll get the tip.

Have a great afternoon Porch Family. I send blessings and prayers your way.

Merri W.

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56856: I had to have a little laugh--the censor wouldn't let me write "salt-water" as one word. --Merri

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56857: Ugh! It's STILL hot here. Glad some of you are having some cool weather, though.

Me-They, gosh, what kind words. Thank you. I feel like you all are much more of an example of love to me than I could ever be to you. You amaze me, especially. I think you are a wonderful Christian example of what a husband and father should be, and what's more important than that? I also love the way you "think outside of the box" in spiritual matters. You are a "thinker" and I love thinkers. God bless you as you show his love to your family and friends and may you be joyfully surprised by all the opportunities He gives you to share His love and truth with others in your life.

Yes Ro, I agree with you completely. I sent an email to Jill's aunt informing her of the events and letting her know that I will not enable her to continue in her current lifestyle. If the aunt wants to send money to Jill, that is her decision but I will no longer be involved. I will only keep my eyes open for the child's sake. I do have a line of communication through Karen's younger children who see Jill and the baby now and then. I will talk to their father and tell him to be aware. Thanks for the advice and encouragement.

Yes, it very scary to think about some people raising children. Here in Corpus Christi yesterday, a 2 year old was rescued from an apartment where she was abandoned and locked in a bathroom for 2 days. No food, nothing. The neighbors heard her crying for her mother and banging on the tub for two days before anyone called the authorities. The mom took off and is nowhere to be found. They said the child had multiple bruises to the bottom and legs. Pray for the poor little thing.

Better run...lots to accomplish today.

Boo

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56858: I agree with your father 100%, ROMEENA. I only add that though Jill's husband may be able (with God's help) to change, that does not erase the consquences of the sin. God will forgive, and expects us to do likewise, but that does not absolve the abuser to suffer the earthly harvest that he has sowed. That probably includes the victim finding a different path. I'm sure there are couples out there who have known ongoing physical abuse but with God's help have overcome it and gotten through it together, but I'd be very, very hesitant to counsel even trying it in the most rosy-looking scenarios.

AFD: Great to hear from you, as usual. How are the girls doing? I've forgotten, do you homeschool?

OPIEMOM: Remember to bring your points slide chart to the OLive Garden. On second thought...

Me-They

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56859: Didn't see you there MERRI and BOO. I hope I didn't rock on your toes.

Faith waxes and wanes for all of us, MERRI. But as long as we keep ourselves pointed in the right direction, it's all good. Besides, undersatnding how this world works is, to quote a friend of mine, way above our pay grade.

BOO: Are you sure you're talking to me? (Done in my best DeNiro.) Thanks, you're sweet.

Me-Now my head's puffed up-They

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56860: Forgot to mention how great it is that Brittney got good news on her biopsies, Ro. Thanks God!

M-T, my girls are doing well. Sorry to hear yours are feeling puny. I don't homeschool Evie, although she got quite a head start before she headed off to Kindergarten last year. She goes to the public schools in our area, which are rated extremely well. We are also fortunate to live just around the corner from the primary school she attends. (Also, a big "Attagirl" to your Mrs on her weight loss success!)

Glad to hear your little chickadee is doing better - and hope you're on the mend soon as well, Merri.

AFD

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56861: Ditto, Me-They. Even when there's evidence of change, I would counsel extreme caution to anyone considering re-entering what was once an abusive relationship. I would want some serious evidence, over a long period of time, before committing again. There's too much at stake in a case like that.

Well, I've got to get busy. My friends will be bringing their little Maltese boy, Oh! Reilly, over at six, for me to keep until Saturday. If they walked in here right now, I doubt they'd leave their little angel in such squalor, so I'd better get things cleaned up. The older I get, the messier I get, it seems. Argh.

Glad the porch kids are on the mend - prayers for one and all. Blessings, friends. --Romeena


October 11, 2007 - Msg 56862: Well, I guess I'll visit with y'all again tomorrow. Lots of work to do so I can head home. The Mrs. e-mailed me to let me know that Joe Corbi will be supplying dinner this evening since she's feeling poorly, too. That's just fine by me; I love pizza no matter how many points!

Have a good one.

Me-They
"Mozzarella's my favorite."

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56863:
I type this directly from the back of Magic Eraser box: (In Red letters) CAUTION:KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN...USING ON SKIN WILL LIKELY CAUSE ABRASIONS. So the warning IS there! Also, maybe those burns were computer added. These days one has to check all that too.
Boo- that is wonderful that they are opening up to your faith-based initative, and that the results are so positive. Maybe some guards will be saved too!
Some heavy topics lately, so let me just say congrats to Belle, but 110 miles?? Is it good salary? hope so. ha
MW - I gotta admit, that was funny! took me a while to figure out!!
I have said this on the porch before you started rocking, I take oregano capsules (Oregamax) from health food store all winter long. Really builds up the immune system. Works great. Google it. Only side effect, I go around singing Italiano songs all day! ha
REV- maybe that stuff at RO's luncheon was escargot, like that gal from new AH-luns likes! ha
State fair time here in Phx too. Will hopefully go this year.
prayers continuing for yall,
MDC


October 11, 2007 - Msg 56864:
MT- ever have Schwan's help out for dinner?
mmm goood.
MDC

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56865: Well, if you can believe it, I just got a call from Jill saying that a case worker was there to take the baby and she wanted me to take her for awhile. I am leaving for Houston this evening so I called my pastor and they are arranging someone to take her tonight. Jill called me back and asked me if I would take her on Monday. I explained that I have not even talked to Bruce about it and we don't know if this is something long-term. Anyway, please pray that we will make the right decision and that she will be taken care of. I am just in shock that child protective services acted so quickly. Kudos for them, but I was not prepared after what the police officer told me yesterday.

Well, I'm off to Houston. Talk to you when I return.

Boo

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56866: Good heavens, Boo! As bad as I hate to say it, it might be the best thing if CPS does take that baby. If a church member has her, the door is open for Jill to harass and harangue to get her back, and sure as you're born, somebody will cave in and return her. If CPS has her, Jill will have to straighten up and act like somebody before they'll give that helpless little thing back to her. And for cryin' out loud, don't YOU take her! Your plate is quite full enough. Your own kids (and Bruce!) deserve a full measure of your time and attention, and you're already spread way too thin. That's why we have agencies like CPS, and I for one am happy that they're actually stepping up and doing their job. OK, that's all I have to say. --Romeena

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56867: Oh my word, my heart just breaks for that poor baby! She's been on my mind everyday. Just deep prayers to the Lord for this child. Part of me is angry and I feel like smacking that mother. (I know that's harsh but I just have no tolerance for incompetent parents. NONE at all!)

I am making a prayer pledge right now. I will continue to pray for this child that Jesus will intervene and provide for her.

MW

MDC--Thanks for the Oregano tip! I can use all the immuno help I can get. I used to eat raw garlic everyday. I know, not pleasant on the breath but I was never so healthy in all my life. Come to think of it, maybe it was because nobody would be around me...hmmmm.

BARNEY: "Well, I happen to have this low sugar blood content, and if I don't get my lunch by noon then I get a headache and I'm no good to anybody."

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56868: Oops, let me clarify...I know the Lord was working today by CPS taking the child out of that environment, I meant to say that I hope the Lord leads her to a more permanent and healthier home until Jill can get her act together. I hope that makes sense. Sorry about that.

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56869: OK, I fibbed. That's not all I have to say. "We don't know if this is something long-term." Well, if it's not, it should be. Jill has some very serious changing to do, and it's not going to happen overnight. She can't fix her own problems and take care of a baby too - she's already proven that. The baby needs to be removed from the situation indefinitely, Jill needs to get clean, sober, trained and employed, and far, far away from her husband. At this point, if that child is returned to her before those things are accomplished, there's going to be a little three-inch blurb in the newspaper one of these days, telling how some guy beat up his wife and baby, and one or both didn't survive. It happens all the time, and I can't imagine what it would take to console you if it happens. This is where "tough love" comes in, Boo, and you know it as well as I do. Jill has gone to the well once too often. She needs to find it dry. Only then will she begin digging on her own. She'll never turn to God for help as long as she has you. --Romeena

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56870: Sorry again folks, I must be spazzing out because of this cold...msg 56867 AND 56868 is me--Merri!

GOOD GRIEF. I'm going to bed.

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56871: Merri W, that doesn't sound harsh at all. It makes me mad clear through when I see the insolent, smug, self-important, completely self-centered little snots that come in to have their babies at my hospital. Dumber than a box of rocks, but they think they have all the answers. We try to teach, to educate them on caring for their baby, and we get a lot of heavy sighs and eye-rolling, because we're interrupting their head-banging music or their phone conversations. You feel like smacking them? Oh, yeah! I'd like to smack them so hard their grandkids will feel it, but I'd only get fired, so I have to restrain myself. Once in a while, we get one in that's dumb and incompetent, but interested in learning and willing to listen, asks questions and seems to be fascinated by the baby. Those girls, I'll move heaven and earth to help them. The others I watch like a hawk, and if I see any little thing I can key on, I'll enter a nurse's order for a social services consultation, and hope they can find a way to get the kid. The old garbage about "a child is always better off with its mother" is exactly that - garbage. Better a clean, intelligent, loving foster mother than a dumb, strung-out, abusive birth mother. Ok, that's really all I have to say. Maybe. --Romeena

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56872: Thank God my daughter has her head on straight when it comes to being a mother to Laci! Bless these poor little babies out there with (for lack of a better word) "whacked out" birth mothers.Boo,I keep praying for that lil' one. Hang in there and I agree-tough love.

Well,I just got back from MUSC.Laci is doing much better. It appears she has aspiration pneumonia,and because she has Cerebral Palsy,she has some feeding issues. A speech therapist watched me feed her today and said when she eats,she uses the sucking reflex like infants & tiny kids do.They want to do a barium test (where she swallows something that acts like an x-ray & shows how she swallows) in the morning and come up with some better ways to feed her-like pureeing her food in a blender.Other than them trying to work on things to prevent her apirating any foods or liquids in the future,she's doing really well. No fever,more active,heart rate is fine,breathing is much better and she is coughing up that junk. So,hopefully she'll be home soon. I told her before I left that she was going to feel better because a lot of people are saying prayers to Jesus for her. And thanks again for all of them.Love to all.

Ro,I am SO happy about Brittney's test results!

Y'all have a good night. I think I can relax tonight now that I have actually put my eyes on Laci today.She's going to be just fine.

*******************
possum under a rock

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56873:
Possum- some days when i would arrive at my mother's, it was obvious that she got very little if any fluids all day!! This is in a supposed nursing facility! I would get her to drink about 600 ml, and use some cool compresses to help as well.
I was so angry with that place and with the health dept surveyors who did NOTHING, that I am now working with my state rep in the AZ statehouse to pass a law of an 8 to 1 ratio of patient to caregiver. Right now we have no law at all, and MANY times 1 caregiver had 20 patients. That is totally insane! Please pray that this thing will be worded right and that God will touch these lawmakers hearts on this.
Thanks, and that's all from me today! ha
MDC
ok a good quote:
ANDY: (to Malcolm MW)Fact is, it's a terrible thing for the high sheriff to tie his own tie. Worst of all, Opie's back there having to eat eggs without faces on them!
Fact is,I want the whole lot to be a regular bobbie dazzler.

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56874: Thanks for the email RO - just fabulous like always!

I am sorry for Jill and the baby. . .prayers for the baby and for you Boo.

hm

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56875: Romeena, thanks for the email, and for taking care of this for us. Millie is pleased as punch and would be proud. I am proud to be a part of this wonderful group of folks. Prayers and blessings to all. SNACK: oreos, cold milk. Big Maude

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56876: Hey Romeena just opened up my mail...GREAT job...hey big maude,boo,M-T,mdc,md,horatio,possum,hm [thanks for the snack Maude], hey big J,NW,AFD,Opiemom,Asa,pappa,auh20 and all...have not had time to read much been busy..bought Miss Sherry a new puch mower today..we leave for Perry Ga for the International state fair tomorrow and the Chirs Daughtry concert Sat night...big car and and air show sat too...well yall say a prayer for Miss Sherry and My safe trip...carring the bikes too !..maude and mavis yall feed this bunch ok?..and dont forget to send Rev his plate UPS...TOM keep the poems up...back Sunday evening ..I will get breakfast in the morning beforw we get started at Dennys!..on Miss Sherry!..prayers again...SPOT

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56877: Could NOT have said it any better ROMEENA. Let's thank God that there are people out there like BOO who are good, decent, hard-working and caring parents. Hopefully, all us good moms can balance the scale. As long as we're sharing, I might as well tell you this touches me because I have a younger sister who is an RN and should know better about things but Lord as my witness, she is the most self-absorbed, vain, selfish, hostile, cold mother that I have ever witnessed in the flesh. She has three precious little ones and it BREAKS MY HEART to see them dirty, wearing ill-fitting old clothes, eating crappy frozen meals 3X a day if lucky, talked to worse than dogs and living in filth. Now, my sister lives in a brand new home that she trashed, drives a new Mercedes SUV, wears only designer clothes, carries a Prada bag, gets her hair and nails done every week, goes to the gym constantly and in general, spends every penny she earns on herself. Meanwhile, she has 2 different fathers for her 3 kids that she divorced and has taken them to the cleaners for a nice 2nd income. Have I painted a bad picture? If I have, it's really about twice as bad as I've described. The problem is my sister is exceptionally beautiful and if she had a good heart, she would be a stunner! Think of Catherine Zeta Jones--she's a dead ringer but she's ugly to me because I know her heart. She's been more evil to my mother than I could ever express in writing. You all wouldn't even believe the things she has done to my sweet mom. It's something out of a horror movie and I can't really bring myself to think of it very often. My parents and I have contacted an attorney and the ex-husbands but nobody wants to do anything because she is a nurse and LOOKS the part of a "good mother." Even when we told them that she uses speed for weight control, they weren't interested. Her 2nd ex husband is currently trying to reunite with her so he won't have to pay out $1200 a month in child support. It's INSANE! And meanwhile, she has taken the kids from us (for the 5th time mind you) and won't allow my parents to even speak to them on the phone and those kids dearly love my parents. It just breaks me up inside and makes me wonder WHY? Why do so many people use their efforts for evil? And the losers in all this is my nephews and niece. They no longer have positive influences in their lives. People who will love them, play and talk with them. Take them to do family activities, buy them decent clothes and decent food to eat.

It is all I can do to refrain from beating some sense into her. I've had to force myself to let go and let God. It's so hard. It's so, so hard.

Well friends, I guess you got more information about me than you bargained for, but I needed to get that off my chest. Everytime I hear of these kinds of reckless, irresponsible, and selfish mothers, I want to SCREAM!! They just don't know what they have.

I've thoroughly depressed myself so I will go for now and get my mind back on right.

Let us all keep the prayers going for these lost children.

Goodnight and tonight more than ever, I wish all of you PEACE.

Merri Weather

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56878: Dear Lord! Merri, who would have dreamed? Certainly not I. I'm so sorry that you have to deal with such heartbreak, and feel so sad for those poor kids. I did pick up on one little fact that might work for you - if she's using speed for weight control, her employer might be interested in knowing that, especially if she's involved in patient care. Meantime, love, we will be praying for those kids, and for you and your parents.

As for me, tonight I'm having a wonderful time. I have my friends' little Maltese boy, Oh! Reilly, and he's just a delight. He's missing his mom and dad, because he won't eat, but he's taking every step I take, and at this moment is lying under my desk with his head on my foot. He's just such a Maltese! Sweet, lovable, comical, affectionate - all the traits that were so strong in my little Plum. It gives me hope that those traits will be there in Starr as well. There just doesn't seem to be any such thing as a hateful Maltese. I'm looking forward to going to bed tonight, for the first time since I lost my Plum, because I know Reilly will cuddle, and that will be so sweet.

An email went out to all who were involved in the memorial for Millie. If you were a participant but didn't receive an email, please let me know immediately, but I do think I got everyone.

I cut a watermelon yesterday - not very good, but the heart is okay. So, I've been eating that, and put the rinds with the rest of the melon out on the feeding rocks in the yard. The birds pick at them through the day, but they leave a lot. However, by morning, the rinds will be just thin little shells. Apparently a raccoon and/or a possum cleans them out during the night. I love it!

Blessings, all. --Romeena

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56879:
Hello porch family...These children situations just breaks my heart. They are so helpless and in many cases have to depend on the very one's that mistreat them.

M-T...so glad Chad is better. Praying for the girls.
By the way..thanks for Olive Garden.

Merri W....praying that you get feeling better soon.

Ro...your dad was so right on it. Good advice!

Boo...you have a safe trip and praying for your decision.

Possum....thank the Lord for the report on Laci. Still praying!

MDC...the sad fact is that I'm sure a lot of care facilities have that same care-giver ratio.

Spot....my daughter went to see Chris Daughtry tonight at the SC Fair. A group of her friends were going together.
Have a good time and a safe trip brother.

You all have a good night and remember to give thanks to our Lord for all He has done. He loves you so much!
Prayers for all....-REV.

October 11, 2007 - Msg 56880:
Hey Ro....didn't see ya there. Enjoy your little friend. I'm sure he's great company. I know you're looking forward to geting Starr.
-REV.

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56881: One more check and then off to bed...

Thanks RO for the advice and thanks REV for the prayers.

I should add that though without doubt my sister is 100% responsible for her actions, but I do believe she is bi-polar. A dr. she worked with offered her the right kind of medication but she refused to take it more than a week. She doesn't believe there is anything wrong with her. I still love her because she's my flesh and blood but that's where it stops. She's another one that will have to hit rock bottom. RO, she doesn't work with patients any longer. She was moved to an administration type job. I sure do miss my kid sister, the sister that she used to be.

Enough on that...it's midnight here. How about a snack? I made some oatmeal raisin cookies this evening. Would you like one with a glass of milk? Help yourself!

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56882: OOPS, that was me again--MW

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56883: And RO, I sure am sorry about Plum. I know I wasn't around when it happened but I'm sorry. Can't wait until you get your STARR! MW

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56884: Well, Merri, I'm glad to know your sister isn't involved with patients. Oh my goodness. You miss your kid sister! Well, of course you do. The bi-polar factor throws a whole different light on things. There are literally two people, two personalities warring within her, and that's so sad. I hope she can get some help soon, but you're probably right - she'll have to hit bottom first. However, as my husband once said, rock bottom is a good place to push off from and head back up.

I'm sorry you missed the Plum. She was one in a million, loved by one and all. Nine pounds of white silky hair and personality, with a perpetually wagging tail plume at one end, and big brown eyes in a happy little face at the other, topped by a jaunty little beribboned fountain-style ponytail. You can find pictures of her in the album at romeena dot my photo album dot com. Just run it all together, of course. There wasn't a mean bone in her little body. My grandkids would dress her in their sweaters, put a doll's bonnet on her head and wheel her around the house in a little plastic cart, and she loved it. She loved and trusted me, and in the end, I had to love her enough to honor that trust, and end her misery. I've had a lot of dogs in my lifetime, and loved them all, but she was more than that. She was my friend, my companion, my baby. She was a special gift from my husband, and I believe she was a gift from God as well. Starr will never take her place, but I will make every effort to give her the opportunity to make a place of her own. If she's half as sweet as the Plum, we'll do just fine. --Romeena

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56885: Friends,Laci is having the barium (swallowing) test this morning at 11. Please pray all goes well,doctors will pinpoint what may be causing her to aspirate food/liquids and can come up with some methods to help prevent this(aspiration pneumonia) in the future. Other than this issue,she's doing great-hoping she may get home later today or tomorrow.

Laci is a child of few words,but after I left yesterday it was reported that she mentioned WalMart-yep,our girl is getting back to her old self again!
I'll keep y'all posted.
*******
possum

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56886: Good morning everyone. It's downright chilly on this end of the porch!

POSSUM: Prayers for Laci today. Keep us in the loop.

MERRI: That's so sad. Prayers for you, your sister, and your whole family.

BOO: Listen to ROMEENA. And take care.

Prayers for all the rest of you, too.

Thanks again, ROMEENA.

I bet that AUH2O is off celebrating Al's Nobel Peace Prize win this morning.

Me-They

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56887: Chirp--chirp--chirp... (That's the crickets under the porch chirping.)

Where is everyone today?

Me-They

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56888: I just visited Miss Crump's, which I have not done in some time. It seems she...er, I mean, FLOYD has instituted an absolutely no political talk rule over there. If any of you frequent the classroom, I'm just curious about what happened.

M-T

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56889: Since I've never visited there, Me-They, I couldn't even venture a guess, but it's probably a good idea. We all have our political opinions, it's our right, and we have the right to express them, but just because we can doesn't necessarily mean we should. It's too easy to offend someone.

Now personally, I'm sick of hearing about "offending" someone, but not when it's intended as I intended it in the paragraph above. Frankly, I don't care if my American flag offends some illegal alien, and I don't care if a Nativity display offends the Muslims. Their very presence in this country offends me, and that's a fact. Why can't they leave peaceably among us, as our Jewish friends always have? The Jews practice their faith and their traditions, and tolerate us as we practice ours. You don't see them filing lawsuits, or registering complaints because somebody put up a Christmas tree. I wish we Christians were always as tolerant toward them as they are toward us, but that's another story.

Back to the subject of Floyd's new guidelines - I don't want to hurt the feelings of a friend, "offend them" so to speak, by some emotional political rant of mine. I can think what I wish, believe what I wish, vote as I wish, and yes, I can say what I wish, and I will. It is not necessary, however, in a forum such as this, to make snipey statements that could upset a friend. I've been guilty of it in the past, and I now try very hard to avoid it. I don't know about everyone else, but once I get started, it's very easy to go too far and say too much, so that's why I think Floyd is right in just asking that political discussion be avoided altogether. There are plenty of online forums designed for just such discussions, and that's the proper place to conduct them. Right on, Floyd. --Romeena

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56890: Oh my! Make that "live" peaceably among us. Was that a Freudian slip or what? --Romeena

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56891: It's kind of a long story, M-T, and had been brewing towards this for many weeks. Floyd, er, Miss Crump, finally just banned any talk of politics at all. Took a great big ax and POW POW POW.
- Hazel
(Emma Brand over there)

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56892: I'm thoroughly enjoying my little house guest. He is so cute, weighs about five pounds, and thinks he's a Rottweiler. He's Maltese through and through, it just shines in his behavior, and he's such a little guy. I had him out in the back yard earlier, and he heard something, so he got all stiff-legged, back legs kicking grass out behind him, little toy growl coming from his tiny chest. He was leaning forward, ready to charge, when a bird flew out of a shrub! He jumped about three feet in the air, made it back to me in two bounds, and got behind me, still growling. Too funny!

His food includes - are you ready - canned, doggy-style carrot cake! His daddy told me he always had a teaspoon of that for dessert after his meals. Dessert, yet! And carrot cake at that! It does look and smell like carrot cake, too. He loves it! I wish I had known something like that was available, the Plum would have had it every day.

Well, my yard guy is here, gotta go pay up. He does such a nice job. It always looks great when he finishes. Have a great day, everyone. --Romeena

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56893: You're probably right, ROMEENA. But I wonder if that's not the slippery-slope of not being able to discuss much of anything? After all, for some, stated views on child-rearing, religion, immigration, or even your post above might offend someone, in some way. I guess I don't understand why politics is an off-limits subject. I, for one, enjoy discussing such matters with friends. And I certainly don't take things as personally as I might comments on matters of faith, health, or personal philosphy.

Instead of treating politics as off-limits, or trying to be PC in any other respect, I believe that using tact, civility, and plain old caring about the feelings of others is a better way to go. We all make mistakes sometimes and perhaps cross a line, but that may be the case for any subject we discuss. Especially here among friends, I would hope that such misunderstandings wouldn't be longstanding.

In any case, I do understand that, unlike the porch, Miss Crump's is a forum where discussion is supposed to stay TAGS related. Much of the stuff we discuss here would not be greeted well there. I was just curious as to what happened after all this time to make FLOYD ban it outright. Enquiring minds want to know!

I am glad that such a blanket ban has not been issued--and not been necessary.

Me-They

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56894: Ooops! Didn't see you there, HAZEL. Was that REGIS stiring up trouble again? Or did SHELDON try and beat a nickel out of all the Democrats? I know I hate those long-winded, verbose, soapbox-hogging guys ;).

ROMEENA: Glad you're enjoying your little friend.

M-T

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56895: With an ax, huh? I knew old lady Crump was a little too uh, testy (that wasn't my first word choice).

M-T

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56896:
Hello porch family. Just checking in before the wife and I head out for the state fair.

Did anyone see where "Mrs Fields" is banning all mention of Christmas on their products this year? I don't buy them anyway but I surely won't now. They said they didn't want to offend anyone. What about offending Christians who make up the largest portion of the population? Well, I won't go there.

Better go for now. Prayers for all the porch family. Have a blessed day and tell someone about our Lord today.
-REV.

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56897: I hear what you're saying, Me-They, especially the slippery-slope part. I just got my daily notice from One News Now - seems some man was forced to leave the area around the Liberty Bell because he was exercising his right to free speech by presenting the gospel in some way. At the same time, Baylor (Baptist?) University shut down the website of a professor there, because he was promoting the idea of intelligent design. All of this right after old Ahmadwhatever was allowed to spew his venom at Columbia University, in the name of free speech. We're in trouble, folks.

However, my impression of the situation at Miss Crump's is that people had digressed from what you described - "using tact, civility, and plain old caring about the feelings of others". If that's the case, then putting the lid on it was the best way to keep it from boiling over.

As for my post up there offending someone, if it offends the Muslims, I don't care. I'm deeply offended that New York City has chosen to honor the Muslim holiday Eid. Here's the quote:

New York's famous Empire State Building is lit up green today in honor of the Muslim holiday of Eid, the biggest festival in the Muslim calendar marking the end of Ramadan. City officials say the lighting, which will continue through Sunday, "will become an annual event in the same tradition of the yearly lightings for Christmas and Hanukah."

I'm sorry, but that goes beyond offending me. It makes me mad enough to spit nails, is what it does. How do you suppose the families of those who died on that infamous day will feel every year, when the Empire State Building turns green in honor of the very people who murdered their loved ones? It makes me sick. America, wake up! When will we learn?

I suppose I've said too much, but I'm not sorry. --Romeena

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56898: I didn't mean to imply that your statement offended me, ROMEENA. I was just using it as an example to say that anthing said is likely to offend somebody. About Miss Crump's, as HAZEL implied, I'd bet you're right.

As for your particular free speech Miss ROMEENA, I'd take being offended by you anytime if it means that I also can hear the wisdom, encouragement, and love that you share so often to all of us. Even among friends, we take the bad with the good. And, in my opinion, from you it's all good.

No Mrs. Field's for me REV. And, since I'm sure they're off the points scale, that's two birds with one stone, so to speak.

Me-They

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56899: Ha, Rev, I already went there and said my piece. I sent a regular email to the president of Mrs. Fields, through the link given by One News Now. Then I went to their website and sent them another one through their "contact us" link. In both, I let them know that I was pretty much offended, and would definitely not be buying their product this year. In fact, I told them, and it's true, that I've made a resolution with myself that I won't buy anything this year that just has the pablum "Holiday" wording. If it would be applicable to use "Christmas", and it's not there, I won't buy the product. I know they don't care if I buy or not, and they don't care if you buy or not, but they'll start to care if both you and I refuse to buy. There is strength in numbers. --Romeena

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56900: Oh, no, Me-They, I knew what you meant. I'm sure what I said would rile a Muslim, and I'll say it again - I really don't care. I'm pretty much "offended" by them on a daily basis. They have a big old monstrosity of a mosque here in our little town, and they didn't have the courtesy to build an adequate parking lot, so their cars clog the streets for blocks around during their services. They just park in front of people's houses, block driveways, whatever. They're about to build another, bigger mosque - guess where? Next door, adjoining property, smack-dab up against the largest Assembly of God church in the area. Now isn't that nice?

In the hospital, it's often a real challenge to provide care to the women because everyone who attends them must be female. Some of our anesthesiologists are male, as is one of the sonographers. The Muslim men would let a woman lie there and die before he'd permit a male to be part of the care team. We have had to really scramble to honor their almighty wishes at times. I was blocked from entering a room to care for my patient because her husband was kneeling on a towel on the floor, his backside in the air, praying toward Mecca, and the only place that he could get the proper orientation was right in front of the door. And no, he would not move.

Our chaplain makes the rounds every couple of days, and leaves a card of welcome and a small New Testament for each new baby. Since we don't officially know the religious preference of each patient, this is just left for everyone. The Jewish families are gracious, usually just leave the Testament on the nightstand. Non-believers pretty much ignore it - even the Satanist couple just tossed it aside. The Muslims? The last time, the man came striding out to the desk, tossed the Testament at the nearest staffer, and loudly berated them for not making sure "that book" would be welcome before leaving it in the room. Yet, we're supposed to be careful not to say anything that would offend them, and we are lighting up New York City to honor their holiday. Grrr.

And now, I'd better get off that subject before my blood pressure rises, and before Floyd is forced to fit me with a muzzle. --Romeena

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56901:
MT- I think hazel was refering to Barney taking out the old ladies' still. ha
REV- RO- on the other side of that coin, I have to commend Sears. When enough people said some things a few years ago about their non-use of Christmas, the Merry Christmas signs are already showing up at our local Sears as they start to put stuff out. Apparently Sears "got it!"
Prayers continue for all. hope Sean's appt went ok.
MDC


October 12, 2007 - Msg 56902: Hey Y'all- Laci's test results showed slight apiration of thin liquids.Doesn't show dysphagia(a serious swallowing problem that is common with people with cerebral palsy) which is a good thing.We'll learn how to modify things for her.It'll be easier to thicken things rather than try to thin them out,so overall,pretty great results.

She's doing great-heading over to the Atrium to play.They want to keep her tonight with no oxygen on her(she is getting minimal now & doing fine) just to watch her.We're optimistic that tomorrow she'll be out of MUSC!

Oh,and that "bad" nurse Brian? Laci's mom DID speak to the Director of Nursing about him. Don't know what happened,but he hasn't been around. Guess he was either suspended,moved to another floor,or fired. He needs a wake up call,for sure.

P.S. I detest "Happy Holidays"- I always want to reply with something smart-alecky,like," What holidays are you referring to? Arbor Day? Lincoln's birthday? Could you specify?" I might DO it if I hear it this year! Ro,you're wearing off on me-ha! And take that as a compliment!

Y'all have a wonderful evening!
*****SMILES*****
possum under a rock


October 12, 2007 - Msg 56903: You know, as I've read the comments today, it's brought up some real good points. And then I started thinking about TAGS. They did get a little political now and then, didn't they? But it always seemed to be more of a local issue or male vs. female issue! I love that early episode when Ellie is running for city council and the women stop doing anything for the husbands and then the husbands retaliate by cutting off their money...it just goes to show how politics can really bring the ugly out. I certainly don't mind anyone voicing their opinion; I think it's important for all of us to be able to do that. I have a quirky little saying that I use in family political discussions that is split between ultra-conservative and liberal thinkers: It takes both wings to fly straight. Hopefully, there can be common ground for all of us. And honestly, remember that big hoopla a couple years ago when everyone was asking "What Would Jesus Do?" I constantly ask myself that question and then try as I might. I fail. A lot. But I try! Nothing anyone has said here has ever offended me. I may not agree sometimes, but I don't mind hearing a different viewpoint, at all. I just hope I haven't shared too much personal stuff with you all and have offended anyone in any way. If so, I am more than happy to keep it light and keep it Mayberry related! Just my two cents worth.

Love to all, Merri W.



October 12, 2007 - Msg 56904: Romeena, I just love you! You are like my "cyber-aunt". You obviously care so much and aren't afraid to say what you think when it will help. I always appreciate it. I agree with you completely. I didn't get a chance before I left to tell you that my pastor called and told me that before he could arrange for someone to take the baby, the caseworker called back and said they had already found a placement for her. I don't know who that is but I suspect it could be Jill's husband's older brother. He is the only one in that family that is decent, doesn't drink, had a good job, wife and children. I would rather she be away from the family altogether, but I think she will do well enough if she is placed with the uncle. I am now out of the picture. I don't expect that Jill will contact me because she must know I am the one who reported her. I had told her 2 or 3 times before that if she tells me something like this, that I would contact child protective services. I only hope her husband doesn't go on a drunken rage and come banging on my door one night. I seriously doubt he would because he strikes me as a coward who only hits women. I have been around him a few times when he was sober, and to tell you the truth he seems nice enough and alot smarter than Jill. Too bad he has chosen to be the kind of person he is because I think he has potential if he would turn his life around. Bruce talked to me about the situation on the way to Houston and helped me to see some things they way they are. Since I have known Jill since she was a baby and know something of how hard her life was, I tend to want to make excuses for her, but she has had many opportunities to change her life and do the right thing but has chosen the pigpen of life, so to speak. She is the same kind of person as her husband. That doesn't mean that she can't change. I will continue to pray for her, but I agree that she will have to hit bottom if there is any chance of her changing. I thought maybe her mom's death would wake her up, and I saw some movement in the right direction. Now that her child has been taken away, maybe that will wake her up more. Only God knows but I did what I could. I don't have any intention of taking the baby at this point because I don't think it would be the best choice for any of us. I am hoping that the fact that they are taking the baby before age 2 will help. Maybe they can turn things around for her and emotional damage won't be so bad. Several years ago when I was a CASA volunteer (court appointed special advocate-for children in the system), I was involved in a case with 4 children who were in foster care because of a drug addict mom who never was able to get her stuff together abd had a baby per year. My sister fostered the children for awhile (4 boys) and it was a circus! Sweet kids ages 1 to 8 but what a handful..the judge did terminate parental rights and the children were adopted by a great family in Wisconsin. The family also adopted the future children that their mother has had since. I think there are at least 7 of them now and they are doing great. I am able to keep up with them through a friend at church who is their aunt. Removing those kids gave them a chance they could have never had. Anyway, thank you for your prayers and words of encouragment.

Merri, how kind of you to help carry the burden in prayer for little Layla. Let me tell you a little about her. She is absolutely beautiful. Very petite with the biggest brown eyes ever and a head full of black curls. She is quiet most of the time but can laugh like crazy (and loudly). She loves her sippy cup with milk in it and she loves stuffed animals. She has a beautiful smile. She is worth saving. God bless you for your compassion and prayers in her behalf. I am so sorry for what you are having to endure because of your sister's ways. May the Lord protect those children and open the door for communication between them and your family. Did you happen to see on the news about the woman who left her 11 month old baby in the tub while she shopped for shoes on the internet? The baby drowned and she is in jail..they were saying on CNN that she is b-polar and self-obsessed. A neighbor said she shopped alot and had the best of everything but neglected the kids. Sounds like your sister. Hope she gets some help.

Possum, you are an amazing grandma! I'm so glad little Laci is doing better.

You go MDC!! Prayers that they pass a law protecting the elderly.

Some really interesting discussion going on...think I'll hold my tongue for now, but not later!

Sean's appointment in Houston went very well and we are going to try weaning him off the Paxil and onto another drug. The doctor finally noticed on a graph that Sean has nearly doubled his weight the last couple of years (since starting on the Paxil). I have been harping on it for a year but finally, we are changing him. It could be a rocky transition but hopefully things will work out better. Thanks for the prayers.

Boo

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56905:
"We defy the mafia"

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56906: Ha! Who said that?? I love that quote.

Boo

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56907: Hello everyone,Wow I just caught up on the archives,it certainly has been an eventful few days for everyone. Glad all the little ones are feeling better.
We sure do have some interesting opinions on this porch.
I've been busy this week doing yard work,still have alot to do. Well I'm going to go heat up some chili anyone want a bowl? we can top it with some cheddar and have a salad and corn muffins with honey butter ,ice cold milk to wash it down. Peace Dr P

October 12, 2007 - Msg 56908: Evenin' Porch Family:
Just checking in before heading for the ironin' board. We don't know much about neighbettes test Thursday. Of course, we have to wait for it to be read, then relayed to the Dr. and the to me... (another soapbox Ro?)
Had a wonderful day teaching a 7th grade history class at a one room school house. (built in 1817). the children had to dress, take lunches, and play the games of the 1800's. It was like "Little House on the prairie".But they all learned that they could survive without electricity, gameboys, tv and they entertained themselves and begged to go back again!!! PTL. Well, tired and satisfied, so off to bed... ~New Neighbor