September 09, 2006 - Msg 45216: Tom....apple pie it is. Would you like raisins or walnuts in it? Ready in an hour.....
Millie
September 09, 2006 - Msg 45217: Swoooooosh! Look, no hands!
Mil
September 09, 2006 - Msg 45218: Wow what a race...mark and kasey are IN!....back to post race...back in a bit...SPOT
September 09, 2006 - Msg 45219: RAISINS PLEASE.
TOM

September 09, 2006 - Msg 45220: Ga Bulldogs are now 2 and 0!...Mil thanks for the pie!...I will get the Mayfield Whole Milk..good suggestion TOM...SPOT
September 09, 2006 - Msg 45221: Howdy. Romeena, I'm not gonna accuse you of being judgemental, no way. hehe...I don't think anyone else will either. You just call 'em like you see 'em.

Went to the local "Home Show" today and got some good information. It was fun. Saw these pots and pans demonstrated that I would love to have, but they wanted thousands for them! Unreal. It was fun to watch them being demonstrated...reminded me of Colonel Harvey selling his elixer...now if they had been selling THAT, I might of bought something. I did come home with some fancy Pico De Galo maker that slices and dices...you get the picture.

The moon was amazing tonight! It looked bigger than I had ever seen it and bright orange for a long time. Wonderful.

Glad the arthritis remedies are working for you, MDC. Don't stop taking them. My dad takes the Chond. stuff and if he stops, he sees a huge difference.

Better hit the hay!

SPOT, what is this mysterious "Mayfield Milk" of which you speak?...(is it some secret code??)

Boo
September 09, 2006 - Msg 45222: Yall aint got Mayfield Milk?....best milk on earth...Tell-um Mil...SPOT
September 09, 2006 - Msg 45223:
Hey Folks

Romeena-I agree 110%, it is a crazy time we are living in. For someone to say that it is not a problem is just another way of saying they do not have a clue. The same could be said for profiling, I cannot believe that we are just now discussing that maybe we should be paying a little closer attention to men of Middle Eastern descent who are between the ages. of say, 20 and 50. What a joke! The last thing we want to do is hurt someones feelings.

MDC-Right, again. If Bubba and the boys spent as much time fighting terrorism, as they have fighting this TV movie, the country would be in a lot better shape today. With all the garbage thrown at W the past 7 years and they are crying about a made for TV movie, give me a break. Would you like a little cheese with that whine Bill? haha

Well, our little corner of the world is out of the news. The last time we had that many armaments around here was during the French and Indian War.

God Bless,
auh2o
September 09, 2006 - Msg 45224: Well, it's ONLY the best milk money can buy. Goes great with a late night snack. I discovered it while visiting Spot's neck 'o the porch. Mmmmmmm......
Mil
September 09, 2006 - Msg 45225: Hey Boo, auh2o, help yourself to some apple/raisin pie!
Mil
September 09, 2006 - Msg 45226: BTW, auh2o, I agree with you and MDC about the protestors of the movie and of the war. And if I hear Slick Willy whine again, I'll bust!
Mil
September 09, 2006 - Msg 45227: Good Pie Mil...I will take 2 pieces...Im here at work...all is quite..watching "Negotistor" Samuel L. Jackson....pretty good...SPOT
September 09, 2006 - Msg 45228: Thats "Negotiator'...fat paws....
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45229: Well, it's 2am, better try to get some sleep before Sunday school. 'Night, porch!
Millie
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45230: Hey, Tom. What I'm all riled up over is exactly what Auh2o mentioned above - the big stink over "profiling". Specifically, those three knotheads who bought up hundreds of prepaid cell phones, and were taking pictures of the Macinac Island bridge, and got themselves arrested for possible terrorist activity. They're now whining all over the newspapers that they were just innocent businessmen, trying to make a living, and were "profiled". Well, I should hope so! Let's just think about what would have happened had they NOT been arrested, and really WERE terrorists. Who would have been crying then? It's a bit like the question of WMDs in Iraq. All intelligence leading up to the invasion said they were there. Clinton said they were there. Gore and Kerry said they were there - of course Kerry later said he said they weren't there, but that was to be expected. Anyway, none were found. Suppose we hadn't gone after Saddam, and the weapons had been there. Dubya can't be everywhere, see everything, investigate everything personally, he has to rely on his advisers, and they all said the weapons were there. Actually, I still think they are, or at least were, there. You can hide a lot of stuff under all that sand. So, that's what my letter to the editor was about - I'm sick of hearing the Muslims whine about being profiled. It ended thus: "To all Muslims living here: Some of your people have done unspeakable things to non-Muslims, and to this country, and still you expect us to be "sensitive" to your culture? Get over it! This is the USA! How about YOU being "sensitive" to US for a change? If you can't stand the current climate, then get organized and get control of your terrorist brethren, or go back to the Middle East. You won't be profiled there." There was more, but that's how it ended.

And now that I've got that off my chest, I'm headed for bed. Sugarplum says 10-4. --Romeena

September 10, 2006 - Msg 45231: Wow, the soapbox is hot after that one! It is getting pretty crazy in this country but Homeland Security must be doing a pretty good job since we haven't had another attack like 9/11 in five years. Five years ago I was certain we would at least have some other acts of terrorism, maybe on a smaller scale, but someone must be doing their job right. I remember when our friend was arrested for selling those weapons illegally, well, you should have seen the costoms agents that swarmed that place (and this was in a small town). Turns out they had been watching him for awhile to be sure they could nail him but I swear they knew everything in the world about him and all his friends (including us)! Thank God for the ones who aren't afraid of being politically incorrect. Now, it may not be easy for some to come to the realization that some of their privacy may be invaded but to me it is worth it to prevent terorism. I'm sure some won't agree with that but it's how I feel. I want to protect the children in this country and their are more and more evil minds out there that want to destroy our nations kids. Off soapbox.

Nope, SPOT, we don't have Mayfield milk. How can one milk taste so much better than another, I wonder? Don't all cows make it the same way?? heehee

Boo
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45232: Mornin' Porch! Boo, I saw a show on public TV once that showed what candy factories doo with over-run product: the send it to dairy's for the cows to munch! Whole barrels of mushed together fruit rollups, hard candies, twizzlers, etc. Now, I ain't sayn' that Mayfield feeds their cows candy, but it could account for the extra sweetness of the milk. I didn't believe it muself till my b'friend had me do the taste test. DANG GOOD milk!

Possum, a belated happy b'day to our miracle baby Laci!!

Ro, that soapbox is still smoldering... Kerry's flip-flop to be expected... hilarious!!

Y'all have a swell Sabbath and act like somebody!

~ Mrs. Wiley

September 10, 2006 - Msg 45233: To Romeema, the problem you experienced with your Msg 45212 being all in bold was not your fault. Whenever you have a problem with a posting and you can't find it in your message, then look at the previous message(s).
Look at the end of Rev's message that preceeded your posting. Notice that he transposed the bold turn-off command by placing the slash after the letter "B". So the bold was active no matter who would have posted after him.

from Poor Horatio
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45234: Hey, Poor Horatio! Where ya been keepin' yourself? Hope you are well. We've missed ya!
Millie
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45235: Hello Millie Msg 45234. I've been keeping busy and doing ok so far. How about you? I'm returning to Canada today. Catch you folks again when I'm north of the border.

from Poor Horatio
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45236: Well back at work....will have supper in just a bit....My Falcons are winning...good weekend for Ga. sports!....SPOT
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45237: Ha! Thanks, PH. That certainly explains it, and gives me another bit of useful information for the future. And all the time, I thought I had "bolded" the thing myself. If I had been more observant, the key was in the "hey" at the beginning of my message. It was bold, but I hadn't turned the bold on yet. That should have tipped me off, but I didn't notice it.

Just in case some of you are wondering why I keep on about the illegal aliens, Muslims, language problems, etc. - please know that where I live we are really getting our noses rubbed in it. Some parts of the country are still virtually unchanged, all you know is what you read in the papers, which may not be much. Other folks, like us, are involved in confrontational situations every day. When a person enters the country illegally, can't speak English, has no money and no insurance, presents themself at the hospital for care and gets it, yet threatens to sue the hospital (and they can do it) because there is no one to interpret for them at 3 a.m., one does tend to get a bit irked. When there's a big wreck and someone is seriously injured because someone who speaks no English could not read the "No right turn on red" sign, you get a little angry. It's not fair, but there doesn't seem to be anything we can do about it. My church offers an ESL course, free of charge. It is poorly attended. Yet, we hospital employees are strongly encouraged to start learning their language. It really burns my grits, believe me. I happen to speak some Spanish, though I'm by no means fluent. I'm working on computer courses in the language now to try to improve. Why can't they make an effort as well?

Well, guess the soapbox will just burn down eventually, if I don't stay off of it. Sorry. I just wanted you to know why I'm so militant lately. Sugarplum says 10-4. --Romeena
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45238: I understand where you are coming, Ro. I am pretty close to the border down here in Corpus Christi but we really don't seem to get that many illegal immigrants like some places. We did have a terrible think happen here this year, though. It happened to my brother-in-law's cousin who was a nurse and a mother of 3 young children. She was working at our largest hospital here in Corpus and she left work early on a Sunday afternoon around 3pm. An illegal immigrant, abducted her, her van and drove her to a small town near here and killed her execution style. It was a terrible thing. One of her children was a 3 year old boy with Down's Syndrome. It made me so sick. Anyway, they caught him and he is in jail for good. I didn't have to deal with very many patients like you spoke of several years ago but something tells me things have gotten worse. My experience with the illegal immigrants was that they were very sweet and humble, and afraid. They weren't demanding, but I guess things are different now.

Well, it's been raining here and people sure are happy about it. Were aren't as hot as usual...how's the weather in your area, ASA?

Boo
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45239: Everybody talks about the weather but nobody does anything about it!
- Hazel
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45240:
Hello all. Good Sabbath to you. Without causing any more moulages, I just want to look back at our country in the 1910's, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s. We were a MANUFACTURING nation, a country of inventors and machinery,moving forward etc. Auto, steel, appliances, etc. Americans working and proud to do it! We led the world in all these areas and helped feed the world to boot, as we still do, But as "something happened" the work went overseas, first to Japan to "help" it after the war. Now we are nothing but a country of services, and we just cant continue that way. Something has to give. I think, deep down, that is one reason we all like TAGS so much, because we want to "relate" to those days again of Ford, Chrysler and GM all being American owned and run, of Zeneth TV's where the quality went in before the name went on and so forth. For me. TAGS is an "escape" to those days. May the Lord help us and may we all face these new challenges with renewed vigor and faith. Ro, I know exactly where you are coming from, we have the same situation here in Phoenix. I turn to the Lord and ask how to deal with it all. As we approach this commemoration tomorrow, I place this land at the Lord's feet and ask Him to lead us and guide us in this new battle. Thank you Jesus, true and living God! Amen May we all re-dedicate our lives.
Have a good evening. God bless America, home of the brave and land of the free.
MDC

September 10, 2006 - Msg 45241:
Whew, sorry about all the soapbox talk.
Wonder what causes that? haha
MDC
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45242: One more comment, if you'll permit me. I don't begrudge anyone coming here to find a better life. Most of the illegals who come here are willing to work, that cannot be denied. That's the main reason they're here. I'd just like to see them enter legally, work as they do now and pay taxes, learn the language and assimilate into OUR culture, rather than trying to change us to match theirs. I don't blame people for wanting to come here, and I don't begrudge them a place in this country. I do resent it when they gripe and complain, whine and moan, file lawsuits, and generally act like jerks. I resent it when they want to fly their country's flag above ours, when they (Muslims) resent our religious holidays, and when their men sneer and leer openly at our women because their faces aren't covered. Come here if you wish, but remember you are here on a pass, and try to act like somebody. There, I've said it and I ain't takin' it back! That's all. Probably. --Romeena
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45243: Amen, MDC. I have been doing some serious evaluation of my own life in light of eternity. I am trying to focus on the eternal rather than the temporal. Thanks for the encouragement.

Boo
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45244: Good game on..colts and giants!..the brothers...bologna sandwiches and coke and chips..hey boo,MDC,TOM,REV,lucy,mil,hazel,PH,Mrs Wylie,possum,asa,auh2o,colt and all my friends...work tonight and the off till thu..got to do some tree cutting at the dog house and fence repair....well back in just a bit....SPOT
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45245: HELLO PORCH FAMILY!!!

I just got home from a trip to Nashville!!! Loved it!!!


Hope all is well, and my prayers continue to you!!!


Fill you in on the trip details later, gotta go unpack!!!

Barnwannabe.
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45246:
Hello porch. Good seeing you all tonight on the porch.

Sorry for the "bold" problem. I guess my fingers got ahead of my brain.

Ro...I agree with what you are saying about the illegals. That's like someone coming to visit my home and then telling me how to run it and taking it over. It just ain't gonna happen! And yes MDC...the greatest power we have is prayer. We need more of it brother.

Spot...watching the big brother against little brother ballgame. That sandwich and chips came in a good time.

Well everyone have a great night. You are all in my prayers.
Let's try this again....-REV.


September 10, 2006 - Msg 45247: Great game Rev...SPOT
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45248: Did we ever find out which brother their Mom was pulling for? Like she could pick which one, she is, after all, Mom to both of them. I have heard so many reporters asking which one, makes me laugh. It is a good game so far. Can't wait til tomorrow, my Skins vs. Vikings!
*Mavis
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45249: Hey Barnwannabe, Boo, Romena, Rev, Mrs Wiley, MDC, Tom, Hazel, au2o, and all missing porchsters! Lovely day here in VA, and a fun day with the kids. Made 2 Oreo pies today. Tommorow I'm making lamb stew. Sounds awful to me, but some customers have asked for it. Really good day at church today....I got a new prayer shawl! So pretty, and made with loving hands by folks who are praying for me. We had a big lunch after with all the grandparents and some aunts and uncles.....all in all, a fine day.
Got some more chores to do, I'll check back later....Spot, Rev, y'all want a snack? I'm buying!

Millie
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45250: Well hey Mavis! Didn't mean to rock over ya!
Mil
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45251:
The snack sounds good Millie. Thanks!

Spot...Well big brother did it. It was a close game. Both can be proud.
-REV.
September 10, 2006 - Msg 45252: Here ya go. Apple or blueberry muffins, and Mayfield whole milk. (I only made a dozen...save at least 4 for the kids in the mornin'!)
Mil
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45253: One for me please millie...and that mayfield milk..yea Rev the game was GREAT...all quite here at work,,,watching a movie called Congo...SPOT
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45254: I'm watching TAGS....marathon on tvland. Hopefully I can sleep soon, it's after 2. 'Night, porch.
Millie
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45255: Lets all pray for the 9/11 victims....see yall at waffle house...SPOT
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45256: Hey HAZEL! Where ya been?? Your post was way too short.

Really sweet about the prayer shawl, Millie. Such a wonderful thing to have the prayers of those who love you.

Yes SPOT, prayers for the victims of 9/11.

Boo
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45257: VICKS!

There, I said it and I ain't taking it back!

homemaker
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45258: Please remember a soldier today. . .if you don't know one, www.anysoldier.com can hook you up with a name to just say thank you.

homemaker

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45259: Hello everyone...Trying to catch up with the archives..but as usual...busy busy.

Hope all is doing well. Pray for our country and our soldiers, their families, and the ones we have lost. I had a friend killed in Iraq a year and a half ago.

Millie:..You are in Richmond, correct?? I'm in VA too.

Have a great day everyone..
Idelle
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45260: Hard to believe it's been 5 years.
May God bless our nation, and may we be worthy of those blessings.

Asa
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45261: Good morning, everyone. After a beautiful weekend it’s gray, raining and a little chilly here which seems appropriate today. Prayers for our country, our leaders, and all those touched by the tragedy of five years ago.

Wow. That soapbox sure has gotten a workout the last few days. Somebody better get under there with a hammer before the whole thing goes blooey. Watch out for spiders.

MDC: You’re right about the looking back we all do. Today, it’s more about money than pride in work (though it’s always been about money). I do worry about us losing our manufacturing base. What plucks my last nerve are those people who cry about the loss of such things as our manufacturing base, “mom and pop” stores and main streets then brag about the great deal they got at the Wal-Mart. For every cheap “made in China” t-shirt they buy, somebody in the good old U.S.A. is losing their job. It’s just that simple. Every time we put perceived value (I say perceived because much of the inexpensive imported stuff we buy is junk and not even worth what we are paying for it) before putting our money where our mouth is, we put another nail in the coffin. We can’t have it both ways. What really hurts me is to watch poorer people, who don’t really have much of a choice, shop at stores like Wal-Mart, the very corporations who are forcing their jobs overseas. I suppose the upside is that Wal-Mart is happy to then offer them a job—making much less and with no meaningful healthcare, of course.

ROMEENA: So how do you really feel about immigration? ;)

I’ll stop back later, but I want to recommend a movie to you all: “Madea’s Family Reunion.” The Mrs. and I decided to rent a movie Friday night, which is rare (we’re usually watching an old movie on TCM) and for some reason picked this one. I say that because it just didn’t look like a movie we’d typically pick. Anyway, the front stated it was “hysterical.” Well, it wasn’t hysterical, and in fact has some pretty tragic, moving parts. But (big but), it contained absolutely the best depictions of Christians I have ever (yes, ever) seen in a movie. Usually, in secular movies Christians are portrayed as tragically stupid caricatures or zealous maniacs, and in “Christian” movies they are often portrayed as perfect, soft-spoken and infinitely wise. In this movie, it was all done very low-key and naturally. Two characters stated they were Christians, acknowledged past mistakes, and, most importantly, were portrayed as truly living their faith through their character. A large part of the movie even hinged on one of them truly living that faith, even though it was impossibly difficult. Anyway, it was great. But, being PG-13, it is not for the kids and contains some delicate subject matter absolutely not suitable for kids (there’s no nudity or really bad language, though).

Hey to BOO, AUH2O (can I just call you Barry? It’s easier to type!), IDELLE, MAVIS, ASA, HOMEMAKER, MILLIE, REV, SPOT, and all the rest of you good people.

Me-They
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45262: Oh, thanks to all who felt for Nora's little crisis last week. You're right, BOO, we forget the impact seemingly little events and words can leave on a child. Prayers that all us parents "get it right."

And...(drum roll, please)...Veda has slept at least six hours at a clip for the past three nights. Saturday, she even slept for eight hours! And none too soon; the Mrs. was getting a little edgy not sleeping more than three or four hours at a clip for the past eight weeks. I'm sure you moms know what I'm talking about.

Me-They
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45263: hey everyone ,hope everybody had a good weekend
SPOT,ASA,MDC,COLT...good racing at Richmond over the weekend.ROMEENA ... amen on your take on the illegals BWB .. glad you had a nice trip ,I want to go to Nashville one of these days ,I would like to visit the Opry
MAYBERRY DEPUTY

September 11, 2006 - Msg 45264: Me-They...Tyler Perry's movies usually have a Christian base. I cant remember the name of the one I saw last year, but it was funny, and touching. My MIL has Family Reunion, I am waiting to see it. He is one talented character!

Take care..
Idelle
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45265:
Morning Porch

Hey-spot, Me-They, homemaker, Boo, Millie, Idelle, Asa, and MAYBERRY DEPUTY.

Me-They I have heard good things about “Madea’s Family Reunion” I'll have to check it out. I have a movie to recommend, "Akeelah and the Bee." It is not a "Christian" movie, however, I think it has a lot to offer. It does contain some language (not a lot) I hope my kids do not use but, as I recall, none of the biggies. Also, that's great news on the bedtime front. And, of course you can call me Barry.

I'll have to pass on the Wal-Mart bashing, I just don't see that way. I think they have done far more to help this country than to hurt it. But, I was never a big fan of Mom & Pop stores to begin with.

I can tell y'all, I'm just as mad now as I was 5 years ago.

God Bless America,
auh2o
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45266: IDELLE: If you remember the name, let me know. I'd like to check it out. Do you know much about Tyler Perry?

AUH2O: I hear you. I wasn't (consciously) trying to bash Wal-Mart. My point was that so many people want it all ways: great paying jobs, "Main Street," and cheap (inexpensive) goods. Although I personally disagree with you, I do respect those who believe as you do (which includes much of my family and many of my friends). What gets on my nerves are those who aren't honest with themselves (some would call them hypocrites, but not me :).

Yep. We may disagree, but we're not going to fly planes into buildings over it, are we? God Bless America indeed.

Me-They
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45267: That hypocrite crack sounds kinda harsh. I wish I could erase it. Sorry all.

M-T
"How did this great big foot--all of it--end up in my mouth?"
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45268: Me-They..no, I dont know a whole lot about Tyler Perry,just what I've read or heard on TV.
I'll ask my hubby tonight what the name of that movie was. I am just having a brain freeze today. Almost nap time!

Idelle
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45269: Good morning, all. Auh2o, I agree. "I can tell y'all, I'm just as mad now as I was 5 years ago." You are so right. However, I think it goes a bit deeper than anger right now. Five years ago, I was shocked, outraged, ready to take up arms myself. My anger was directed at those who actually did the reprehensible deed. Now, however, my anger has solidified into a very deep-rooted resentment against the culture that produced them, and continues to permit them to function, perhaps even funds and encourages them. Meantime, the good ol' USA court-martials some hot-headed young soldiers because they "insulted and offended" some prisoners. I'm not justifying the actions of our soldiers, but come on, let's get real. So some Muslim had a dog collar around his neck. At least he still had a neck to put the collar around!

We can't put the Ten Commandments - accepted by Jews and Christians alike, and the original basis of secular law - in our court houses, because we must separate church and state. Meanwhile, NASA is tying itself in knots trying to figure out how to determine the direction of Mecca from space, and how to anchor a prayer rug in a weightless environment (a government-funded space vehicle), so a male Muslim astronaut can pray five times a day! I know, one of the astronauts lost in the explosion over Texas was a Muslim, but she was female, not expected to pray, because Allah doesn't listen to her anyway, so it wasn't a problem then. Personally, I'm glad that my God hears my prayers even though I'm a woman, and He can hear me regardless of what direction I may be facing!

My flag is flying out front, I will recite the pledge at noon. I may have to care for some insolent, demanding and arrogant Muslim family tonight, and I pray that the Lord will give me the strength to do it with a kind smile and willing hands.

Sugarplum says 10-4. --Romeena
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45270: I agree wholeheartedly with you, Romeena. And even though where I live I don't have to put up with most of the garbage you do with illegals and having to accommodate THEM and THEIR wishes, ...yet, it just boils my bottom to see that sort of stuff going on here in America. I think it is called, "biting the hand that feeds you!" Like you, I have no problem with people coming over LEGALLY and going through the procedures that all the residents who are here legally went through. I mean, is this another symptom of a world culture(I was going to say "our culture" but apparently it is worldwide) where people have to have everything "this minute" and where they think they are entitled to what THEY want, no matter what?!
As far as you being more militant, I think that that is one way we COULD actually make a difference, if more people were more militant about our traditions and not letting illegal foreigners(and their sympathizers) walk all over us and those traditions. So, keep it up I say. I've written a number of letters to the editor myself. Btw, does that paper have an online version? Cause I would like to read the whole letter.

-Sterling Holobyte

September 11, 2006 - Msg 45271: I'm not contradicting some of y'all--not one little bit. Heck, I'm as outraged, angry and frustrated as the next guy (or gal, as the case may be). In fact, I'd use a stronger word than "heck" if this weren't a family porch. I agree with the outrage stated above.

But (you just knew there had to be a "but"!), we can't ever lose sight of the forest for the trees. I'm talking to all you Christians now (the rest of y'all talk quietly amongst yourselves for a few minutes). Our numero uno job on this earth is to glorify and worship the Lord. That comes before our families, friends, and yes, even our country. Faith trumps patriotism, though they are not mutually exclusive. We must defend our faith, families, and country, but we also are commanded to love our enemy. That's not just lip-service kind of love, but the kind of love that offers the whole enchilada when asked for a bite. Everything we do must be measured against that yardstick.

Now, I'm no peacenik, much less a Neville Chamberlain (for all you history buffs). We can't let the world walk all over us. But, as Christians, if we're not coming from a place of love, then it's us who need chastising. We need to bring our enemies to Christ if we can. We should be praying and strategizing more to do that. I hope that doesn't sound too preachy.

Okay, y'all can go about your business.

Me-They
"Show's over!"
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45272: In honor of primary day tomorrow (at least here in Maryland), I say, TR FOR PRESIDENT! We could use a good bull-moose about now.

Bully!

M-T
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45273: HI ALL.
NICE DAY WAITING FOR THE RAIN TO COME.
TOM
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45274: HI ALL.
NICE DAY WAITING FOR THE RAIN TO COME.
TOM
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45275: HI ALL.
NICE DAY WAITING FOR THE RAIN TO COME.
TOM
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45276: Me-They, I agree with you. Re-read the last line of 45269 above. I try, I really and truly do, and up to now, I've succeeded. I try to maintain a servant's heart, and model Christ for those people. But it is hard. Oh yes, it is hard. It's hard when I have one of their women in the restroom, helping her, and she catches sight of the Christian fish symbol ring I wear, sneers and deliberately drops her soiled pad on the floor, and tells me "You can pick that up." The women are as bad as the men, believe me. Still, I try to remember to ask myself what Jesus would do, and I continue to be kind. My thoughts may not be so kind, but my actions are. I hope I can continue.

I have a former Muslim friend, who came to this country as a seeker, became a Christian, and now cannot go home because her family would kill her. She cautions strongly against trusting any Muslim. As she said, "If they would kill me, one of their own, what do you think they will do to you?" I have helped her where I can. My SS department collected money - several thousand dollars - to pay lawyers to get her a permanent visa when her student visa ran out and she was going to be deported. I've given her some small appliances for her apartment, and I've tried to be a friend to her. She is a beautiful, dear and sweet girl, studying eagerly and growing as a new Christian, and we can count her as one victory. I pray for others, but they're hard-won.

Well, a nap is in order so I can stay awake tonight. Sugarplum says 10-4. --Romeena
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45277:
I was just reading over the archives from Sept 11, 2001.
Like so many of us, Asa started the day talking about the great fall weather and then it hit!
This was long before i found the porch, but the profound statements written that day by Asa, Rafe, Mavis, Mrs Wiley, Floyd, Tom, Homemaker and others are worth reading!!
MeThey- I understand where you are at, but, in a way, you are contradicting yourself in places.
I know that Jesus loved the people selling in the Temple, but come on, did he go up to them and say, "OK guys, let's talk about this." No, he had to get their immediate attention to the wrong that they were doing. When terrorist guerillas carry out an UN-PROVOKED attack upon our INNOCENT civilians and the MILITARY as well, especially using OUR planes, there must be a response! I believe we can love people, but we can also carry out a justified response to such an attack. I appreciate your opinions. I just wanted to give mine as well. I pray for all people to come to the Lord, but remember, He is the one who says he stands at the door and knocks. WE must then ACT and open the door, but many do not and thus, because of man's fallen nature, true, complete, world peace will not come about until Jesus' return, and the devil is bound forever.
May God Bless America! Thanks for letting me speak. next! (ha)
Love ya,
MDC
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45278:
I was just reading over the archives from Sept 11, 2001.
Like so many of us, Asa started the day talking about the great fall weather and then it hit!
This was long before i found the porch, but the profound statements written that day by Asa, Rafe, Mavis, Mrs Wiley, Floyd, Tom, Homemaker and others are worth reading!!
MeThey- I understand where you are at, but, in a way, you are contradicting yourself in places.
I know that Jesus loved the people selling in the Temple, but come on, did he go up to them and say, "OK guys, let's talk about this." No, he had to get their immediate attention to the wrong that they were doing. When terrorist guerillas carry out an UN-PROVOKED attack upon our INNOCENT civilians and the MILITARY as well, especially using OUR planes, there must be a response! I believe we can love people, but we can also carry out a justified response to such an attack. I appreciate your opinions. I just wanted to give mine as well. I pray for all people to come to the Lord, but remember, He is the one who says he stands at the door and knocks. WE must then ACT and open the door, but many do not and thus, because of man's fallen nature, true, complete, world peace will not come about until Jesus' return, and the devil is bound forever.
May God Bless America! Thanks for letting me speak. next! (ha)
Love ya,
MDC
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45279:
Sorry for the double post. I could say one for each tower, but actually, the net here is really slow today. MDC
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45280:
Sorry for the double post. I could say one for each tower, but actually, the net here is really slow today. MDC
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45281:
Sorry for the double post!
MDC
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45282: I know what you are saying, Me-They, I really do. But(there's that big but again) there are groups(mostly on the far-left) who have taken (far too much)advantage of that old Christian "turn the other cheek" philosophy and have steadily used it against us, and shaming good people who have old fashioned values into thinking that those values are discriminatory and bigoted just because they don't support the "anything goes" mentality so prevalent in our culture today. They know what they are doing. And fortunately many people are waking up to what they are doing also.
Personally, I don't think God wants us to sit on our hands while these people use the goodwill of caring, decent folks against them, to further their own perverse agendas. Remember that often-used story, I don't know what it is called, but it goes, "first they came for the Jews, and since I was not a Jew, I said nothing. And then they came for...." And so on. I think that might apply here as to what I am trying to say.

I do know what you are saying, Me-They, and while we should all try to follow the kindness-first strategy, we also need to remember that there are really evil people in this world. And sometimes, as I remember the statue of Mary with her foot on the serpent's head in my church as I was growing up, sometimes the only way to deal with a snake is to smush it.

Whew, I better put the soapbox away before it burns up. Sorry folks, I may have gotten away with myself a little there.

Tom, I am waiting for the rain to leave. It has been raining here all day. And I mean ALL day.
Rain, rain, go away....;)

-Sterling Holobyte
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45283: Oh, good, I'm glad I'm not the only one who was having a slow day on the computer, MDC. It seemed to take forever for the porch to load.
-Sterling Holobyte
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45284: It has rained here, too, but only a passing storm. It dumped a lot of water, though. I was away from home when it hit, and came home to find several large limbs in my front yard, one so big I could barely drag it to the street. Another limb fell between my house and my neighbor's, actually not so much a limb as it is half of the tree. The tree is on her property, so I couldn't do anything myself, though it is resting on both roofs, hers and mine. I would call the man, and he would have it done, quickly, safely and reasonably by this evening. She is calling a friend with a chainsaw. Oh well. At this point I don't think I have any damage, but I hope I can still say that after her friend hacks away at that huge tree. I'm very much afraid that when he frees up the part that's on my roof, it's going to fall, taking my gutters with it. If so, I'm afraid I'll have to expect her to accept responsibility. If she'd let me call the man, he'd rope the thing off, secure it and then cut. My guess is her friend will just start sawing. We'll see.

Well, gotta get ready for work. Peace, friends. Sugarplum says 10-4. --Romeena
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45285: It has rained here, too, but only a passing storm. It dumped a lot of water, though. I was away from home when it hit, and came home to find several large limbs in my front yard, one so big I could barely drag it to the street. Another limb fell between my house and my neighbor's, actually not so much a limb as it is half of the tree. The tree is on her property, so I couldn't do anything myself, though it is resting on both roofs, hers and mine. I would call the man, and he would have it done, quickly, safely and reasonably by this evening. She is calling a friend with a chainsaw. Oh well. At this point I don't think I have any damage, but I hope I can still say that after her friend hacks away at that huge tree. I'm very much afraid that when he frees up the part that's on my roof, it's going to fall, taking my gutters with it. If so, I'm afraid I'll have to expect her to accept responsibility. If she'd let me call the man, he'd rope the thing off, secure it and then cut. My guess is her friend will just start sawing. We'll see.

Well, gotta get ready for work. Peace, friends. Sugarplum says 10-4. --Romeena
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45286: Well, I finally learned what causes double posts. I tried to post, it wasn't going, I hit the "stop" - which I though would cancel the post command - waited a moment and hit "post" again, and this time just waited. When it finally cleared, it posted twice. So, moral of the story, hitting "stop" doesn't cancel a "post". Lesson learned. --Romeena
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45287: Make that "thought", not "though", for pete's sake! --Romeena
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45288: Wow, I think I will keep my thoughts to myself except to say:...(singing),"Me-They's a Peacenik! Me-They's a Peacenik!"...hehe...just kidding, Buddy. I just couldn't resist. That is such a funny expression. Did you think of it yourself?! I know where you are coming from but am still confused about how I should feel. I am reminded of the verse of Jesus, "Love your enemies. Do good to them that persecute you. Pray for those who despitefully use you."...are things different now than they were then? I know that we have to stand against evil and take a stand to protect the innocent, even with our own lives. That is what I love about America. We don't go to war unless is to protect either ourselves or someone else, not for selfish gain (at least I hope). I think I need to pray about all this and see what conclusion I can come to about how I should feel.

MDC, earlier today I went back and read some of the archives for 9/11, too. I wasn't around yet until that summer but it was neat to read what folks had to say then..I didn't realize that Asa lost a nephew in the WTC.

Gotta go bathe a dirty little rug rat....later,

Boo
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45289: Evening Y'all. Been reflecting back to 9/11/2001 as most of you have.How tragic,how sad,how dare they?!
Just seems unreal,yet it happened. God Bless us all.
Friends,please keep my grandchild Laci in your thoughts and prayers tomorrow. She is going in for a medical procedure that should (will!) help her walk. She just turned 3 this past week and is not yet able to walk independently because some of her muscles in her ankles are extremely tight which causes her feet to turn in.We've tried braces twice,but what they are going to do tomorrow is sedate her,inject Botox into her ankles to relax the tight muscles,then put walking casts on her.She'll wear them for a month and then see how it goes from there.Laci wants to walk so badly-she goes around holding on to furniture etc.,but those poor little feet turning in keep her from walking. Please pray that all goes smoothly. I know she WILL walk-the Lord & I had a talk a long time back and I hold tight to what He promised me. I'll let everybody know how it goes when I get back home tomorrow.
Just glanced up at Boo's post-I didn't know that you lost a nephew on 9/11, Asa. Please accept my belated sympathies. Think I'll go read the 9/11 archives. Y'all take care and thanks in advance for your prayers and good thoughts for Laci tomorrow.Love you all.
*****SMILES*****
possum under a rock
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45290: Ok, my question is what happened to "an eye for an eye"? I just don't think the Lord wants us to sit here & let them come in & kill all those innocent people without doing something about it. While I see both sides of the argument up there, I still believe, if they do it & get away with it once, they will do it again. After all, wasn't that the SECOND attack on the towers?? 'nuf said, Redskins on, gotta go scream & yell at the tv for a while. :)
*Mavis
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45291: Evening friends. Been quite a day of rememberence for us all. Thank you Boo and Possum for your prayers for our Nephew. He was not on duty that morning, but as soon as he heard what had happened hight tailed it down there to help. He would have got called in anyway. But he was in the second tower when it collapsed. I'm sure we all know someone who lost a friend or family on that day.

Possum, prayers for Laci that this procedure will work out well for her, bless her heart. I know with a Grandma like you praying for her that she will walk soon.

Romeena, must have been a powerful wind there. Hope that they get it removed without damaging your home.

Boo, lots of thoughts and opinions expressed here today. I like your approach of taking it to the Lord and seeing what happens. I tend to lean towards the thoughts of Ro, MDC and Sterling in that I believe we need to protect our Country. I am of the idea that our consti-tution is an inspired document and the Lord wants it protected. I think we have shown much Christian mercy in the way this war has been fought. Lets be honest. We have the means to end this thing in about 45 seconds if felt the need to. Or we could have ended it much sooner even with conventinal weapons, but because we respect life, and want to protect innocent people, we have been more methodical in our approach. It has most likely cost us more in American lives doing so, but we respect life to much to do the other, unless pushed to the limits. I think that restraint and sacrifice on our part is not lost in Gods sight.
Boy, I'm sorry. I try not to speak for God and get all preachy here, but it has been am emotional day for all of us.
Me and the Mrs. are off to Southern California tomorrow morning for a week on the coast. We have several places right on the coast we always stay at. The sunsetting over the Pacific ocean is a sight to behold. Way better than old man Kelsey's ocean. Y'all be good, and behave while I'm gone and act like somebody.

Asa

Go Skins! Then Raiders!:)
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45292: Wow, Asa really made me think on that last post. He brought up some things I had never thought about and he's right. God bless this nation and protect our God-given const-tution. Hope Asa and Mrs. Asa have a wonderful, restful vacation.

Possum, prayers for Little Laci. She is such a darling little puddin'! I pray she is walking lickety-split.

Boo
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45293:
Prayers for Laci!(Even as I post this)

A lot of "food for thought" tonight on the porch. I know what M-T is saying but I have to agree with MDC's and Sterling's comments. We can't allow evil to overtake good. Not that we take pleasure in destroying, no more than God takes pleasure in seeing some one spending eternity in ____. But it's the decision that THEY made.

Prayers for all my porch family and for our great nation.
-REV.
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45294: Didn't mean to rock on you Boo and Asa.
Have a great trip Asa.
-REV.
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45295: Dad-burn Redskins! :( All Hall had to do was make one stinkin field goal! Oh well, Asa maybe your Raiders will do better than my Skins did. Maybe next week. I'm goin to bed, for a grown adult, I might be a sight!
*Mavis
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45296:
Hey Folks

Asa- Amen. Beautifully put.

Rev- I agree, well we can and should love thy neighbor, we can't love someone into Heaven, that choice is up to them.

For half of the last 30 years we've had Presidents whom I thought were appeasers. We have been marching to this point in time since the mid-70's and here we are. It is time to be done with it. This country was founded by decent men who were filled with anger, not hate.

Just finished watching "The Path to 9- 11" and I can see why "Team Billary" was so upset,
ouch.

God Bless,
auh2o
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45297:
That should read, "while we can" not "well we can"

auh2o
September 11, 2006 - Msg 45298: Hi All.

Millie- how about a pumokin or a butterscotch cake?
Mavis that was some game .
I think in time thegood Lord is going to ask the Qus you who are not what sin will come home and you who are playing the jueg on what is going on there.
We can not chang the pass or relive it.
We have to live for today and make the chang forbe it to leat to.

love tom